#1 2015-08-08 15:14:46

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Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

Hi Folks,

I have been using laptops only for YEARS now and have a little bit of spare cash so I started looking in to desktops again (I have kb/mouse/monitors etc), I will still use the laptop(s) for work etc so the desktop is only to fulfill some basic criteria.

Goals:

Being able to run some games without having to constantly worry about settings, will it run etc.

Enough space to quickly shove some more drives in.

Be able to use it like a test rig for stuff too (so VT required)

I set myself a fairly low budget of £400 because I only need to base unit and don't really care about beading edge performance for home and the nice thing about desktops is they are simple enough to upgrade in the future.

I have spent about 3 days looking and just gone round in circles because it has been so long since I bothered with desktops, about the only things I know for sure is that Quad core is minimum (4 threads) and it seems the graphics card that will still play everything without breaking the bank is either the GTX 750/750 ti or the GTX-960

I found the following (I could build it myself but if I go that route I will never get it done), so just looking for opinions or alternatives:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ULTRA-FAST-QU … 20f8033adb
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fast-Quiet-AM … 20ffdd89bf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ULTRA-FAST-QU … 1e9b266cca
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ULTRA-FAST-QU … 234d08e844
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fast-Dell-T35 … 5d5a0e922b
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ULTRA-FAST-QU … 1e9b266cb5
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ULTRA-FAST-QU … 20f8046d28
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ULTRA-FAST-QU … 1e9b274d06
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CCL-3-7GHz-In … 1a01767469

Then I thought maybe it would make more sense to buy this: http://www.ebuyer.com/719086-viglen-gen … -pc-879090 and put one of these http://www.ebuyer.com/621486-evga-gtx-7 … p4-3753-kr in it?

Then I thought should I just buy an Xbox One instead and forget the rest and then I thought oh ffs lets just ask someone for an opinion smile

and here I am!


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#2 2015-08-08 16:16:58

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

Xbox one seriously reduces productivity.

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#3 2015-08-08 16:25:17

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

I built early this year the i3-4160 and GTX 750. Now I regret it. I should have just bought the i5-4690 and GTX 960. hmm

If you have free time, I suggest built it yourself. £400 is more than enough for an i5 build. Just go for the $30 case, some $20 aftermarket cooler. 8GB RAM, I think about $60. $60 Motherboard.

You can also check some saved builds here: https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/

Last edited by Marl (2015-08-08 16:25:31)

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#4 2015-08-08 18:09:05

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

Went to that site and added some amazon uk stuff and I think you can't get an i5 build without sacrificing in the MB and PSU side.

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#5 2015-08-08 18:17:25

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

I am playing about with some specs building it myself but the savings seem minimal to be honest vs buying one. My PC building days are from pentium pro/pentium 2 slot 1 days up to about AMD Athon 2400 XP smile


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#6 2015-08-08 18:18:40

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Well, if you think you can get a good warranty on the parts of the build ones, maybe will be ok to get one of those.

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#7 2015-08-09 10:38:53

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

almost there, so would you rather have:

i5-4440 4 physical cores @ 3.1GHz with a GTX 750ti
or
i3-4160 2 Physical cores 4 threads @ 3.60GHz with a GTX 960?


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#8 2015-08-09 11:42:05

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

i3-4160 2 Physical cores 4 threads @ 3.60GHz with a GTX 960

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#9 2015-08-09 13:43:59

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

ok think this is the final spec:

i3-4170 @ 3.7 GHz
8GB Ram
1TB SATA (will cache it later with a small SSD probably)
GEForce GTX 960
Standard giant flashy gaming case that serves no purpose tongue
3 year parts and labor collect and return warranty

£406

I can get the same thing but with an AMD FX 860k quad core which ranks a touch better than the i3 according to: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2362&cmp[]=2522 with 16GB Ram for £428 but with only 1 year return to base warranty.

Despite the numbers looking better for an extra £22.00 I don't have as much confidence in the AMD one or seller or warranty so will probably go for the i3


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#10 2015-08-09 17:58:28

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

I'd say spend a little more and get the comparable i5 instead of the i3.  The speed boost is really substantial and the cost differential is small.  The i7 is a much bigger cost jump for a smaller performance improvement.  cpubenchmarks.net numbers are very accurate, at least compared with my own application tests; YMMV.

Me, I gave up on desktops and haven't looked back.  I do all my heavy compute stuff on remote servers.

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#11 2015-08-09 20:25:24

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

Yeah this is just pure entertainment and pissing about with though, nothing to serious smile

My problem is if I dont set a budget what happens is I go "well if I am spending an extra £60 for the i5 I might as well go for the best i5 and spend an extra £100" and while i'm at it get 32GB Ram, a mobo that supports it and raid 10 SSD's and I end up spending £1000 with no justification in terms of actual use smile

I guess I can always upgrade the CPU later, for the money though if cpubenchmarks.net can be trusted your crazy not going for AMD.


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#12 2015-08-10 00:10:19

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

Agree with the i3. For most games it will perform generally equal than other more powerful i4/7 cpus. And surely will be better than the AMD builds. But this was just for games.

Anyway, I use an i3-2xxx at the offices and still performs pretty good for programming and some vmware machines.

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#13 2015-08-10 03:03:31

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

AMD generally gives you more cpu performance per gbp/euro/dollar than Intel, including GPU performance and the mobos are cheaper too.  Also AMD cpus including the consumer ones tend to have features like virtualization that Intel segments to server cpus.  Intel's higher end parts have more raw performance than AMD's and Intel's stuff is more power efficient because of higher tech fab processes.  I didn't realize an i3 to i5 cpu upgrade was £60 -- I had the impression it was much less than that.

Integrated graphics has improved by a lot in recent years so maybe you can get by without an external graphics card?  AMD APU's in particular have Radeon-like graphics built into the chip.  I'm not a gamer so can't speak from experience though.

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#14 2015-08-10 15:25:41

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

I won't even try any integrated graphics for gaming. Yes, most games can run, but with low resolution, bad framerates and bad quality.

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#15 2015-08-10 15:57:32

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

Integrated graphics that can run gaming is like 1990's gaming. tongue

Today's game is just resource hungry.

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#16 2015-08-10 16:56:29

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

My laptop has a GT240M in it, I could upgrade that but cost vs benefit is silly and I like to keep my laptop for work only.


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#17 2015-08-13 07:13:32

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

This looks kind of interesting at least as a comparison point, on sale today from Newegg (California), though international shipping might not be available or practical:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBund … bo.2463764

I think Anandtech has done benchmarks of the integrated Radeon gpu.

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#18 2015-08-15 10:53:28

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

G1820, arround 30 Bucks
Cheap Intel 1150 Mainboard
4gig of DDR3
and a SSD.

Btw the iGPU for that CPU is good for play some games.

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#19 2015-08-19 13:05:14

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

I got the one I mentioned but the PSU is weak and overloads when  run rocket league for example, waiting for a new PSU. CiT 750W


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#20 2015-08-19 13:45:24

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

Backtogeek wrote:

I got the one I mentioned but the PSU is weak and overloads when  run rocket league for example, waiting for a new PSU. CiT 750W

you didn't include psu? tongue

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#21 2015-08-19 14:46:16

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Re: Buying a desktop PC, any advice?

I did yes but it was a bare bones and the bundled PSU is poop


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